Discussion:
Looking for images for my fishing log, thanks.
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Jen
2003-12-10 14:18:12 UTC
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Hello,
I participated in the development of this fishing log and image
repository for fishermen:

http://fishing.idealog.net

If you have interesting images of your past catches, fishing trips,
repairs, inventory, bait, tackle, fishing buddies or any other images
that you could donate and that you would not mind being used for our
web site and the log graphics (splash screen or sample HTML pages
generated by the log), please let me know. Any feedback on the product
would be greately appreciated too.

We always give credits to contributors. A link to your site, your name
in the credit section is not a problem.

Thanks.
Jen
***@yahoo.com
http://fishing.idealog.net
www.idealog.net
L. A. Powell
2003-12-10 15:35:53 UTC
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Smells like spam...
Post by Jen
Hello,
I participated in the development of this fishing log and image
http://fishing.idealog.net
If you have interesting images of your past catches, fishing trips,
repairs, inventory, bait, tackle, fishing buddies or any other images
that you could donate and that you would not mind being used for our
web site and the log graphics (splash screen or sample HTML pages
generated by the log), please let me know. Any feedback on the product
would be greately appreciated too.
We always give credits to contributors. A link to your site, your name
in the credit section is not a problem.
Thanks.
Jen
http://fishing.idealog.net
www.idealog.net
Jen
2003-12-11 00:59:09 UTC
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No, it isn't spam.
Please reply to my e-mail address.
Thank you.
Jen
Post by L. A. Powell
Smells like spam...
Post by Jen
Hello,
I participated in the development of this fishing log and image
http://fishing.idealog.net
If you have interesting images of your past catches, fishing trips,
repairs, inventory, bait, tackle, fishing buddies or any other images
that you could donate and that you would not mind being used for our
web site and the log graphics (splash screen or sample HTML pages
generated by the log), please let me know. Any feedback on the product
would be greately appreciated too.
We always give credits to contributors. A link to your site, your name
in the credit section is not a problem.
Thanks.
Jen
http://fishing.idealog.net
www.idealog.net
Gene Cottrell
2003-12-11 02:34:10 UTC
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Certainly IS SPAM!

You're just looking for suckers to go to the site!

If you really wanted photos, you'd mention it on the site, not here. I
didn't see any pleas for photos on the site home page.

Please advertise elsewhere

Gene
Post by Jen
No, it isn't spam.
Please reply to my e-mail address.
Thank you.
Jen
Post by L. A. Powell
Smells like spam...
Post by Jen
Hello,
I participated in the development of this fishing log and image
http://fishing.idealog.net
If you have interesting images of your past catches, fishing trips,
repairs, inventory, bait, tackle, fishing buddies or any other images
that you could donate and that you would not mind being used for our
web site and the log graphics (splash screen or sample HTML pages
generated by the log), please let me know. Any feedback on the product
would be greately appreciated too.
We always give credits to contributors. A link to your site, your name
in the credit section is not a problem.
Thanks.
Jen
http://fishing.idealog.net
www.idealog.net
joe
2003-12-11 03:17:38 UTC
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In article
Post by Gene Cottrell
Certainly IS SPAM!
You're just looking for suckers to go to the site!
If you really wanted photos, you'd mention it on the site, not here. I
didn't see any pleas for photos on the site home page.
Please advertise elsewhere
Gene
Post by Jen
No, it isn't spam.
Please reply to my e-mail address.
Thank you.
Jen
Post by L. A. Powell
Smells like spam...
Post by Jen
Hello,
I participated in the development of this fishing log and image
http://fishing.idealog.net
If you have interesting images of your past catches, fishing trips,
repairs, inventory, bait, tackle, fishing buddies or any other images
Seriously, SPAM or not, the post does not appear present the facts. The
site seems to have only one purpose and that is to sell a software
application.

Not that my opinion is important but I have no problem with commercial
posts as long as the poster is up front about it. If you have something
of interest people will choose to check it out.

I saw no links to 'donate' pictures but since this is for-profit
software built partially on open source contributions I would be glad to
sell some images at a fair price.
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com
Jen
2003-12-11 11:09:10 UTC
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Hello again,
Post by joe
Post by Gene Cottrell
You're just looking for suckers to go to the site!
I would never call anybody visiting our site a sucker.
Post by joe
Post by Gene Cottrell
If you really wanted photos, you'd mention it on the site, not here. I
didn't see any pleas for photos on the site home page.
We do need photos to go to our default database and we give credits to
all who donate (have a look at the links). As you certainly
understand, there is a limit in what you can and can't put on a site.
The fact that we do not ask for images on our site does not mean we do
not need them. Where else could I go and ask for images?

Ok, I absolutely understand the reasons for such replies to my
e-mails. I am too tired of unsolicited emails I receive every day. I
can only hope that some of you will contact me and send me some
images.

You want to prove I am a spammer - send me something worthwhile and
see if it appears on our site or on a splash screen or in the sample
database. Oh, and check if we mention your name in the acknowledgement
section.

Kind regards,

Jen
Post by joe
In article
Post by Gene Cottrell
Certainly IS SPAM!
You're just looking for suckers to go to the site!
If you really wanted photos, you'd mention it on the site, not here. I
didn't see any pleas for photos on the site home page.
Please advertise elsewhere
Gene
Post by Jen
No, it isn't spam.
Please reply to my e-mail address.
Thank you.
Jen
Post by L. A. Powell
Smells like spam...
Post by Jen
Hello,
I participated in the development of this fishing log and image
http://fishing.idealog.net
If you have interesting images of your past catches, fishing trips,
repairs, inventory, bait, tackle, fishing buddies or any other images
Seriously, SPAM or not, the post does not appear present the facts. The
site seems to have only one purpose and that is to sell a software
application.
Not that my opinion is important but I have no problem with commercial
posts as long as the poster is up front about it. If you have something
of interest people will choose to check it out.
I saw no links to 'donate' pictures but since this is for-profit
software built partially on open source contributions I would be glad to
sell some images at a fair price.
Scott Seidman
2003-12-12 21:42:04 UTC
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Post by Jen
You want to prove I am a spammer - send me something worthwhile and
see if it appears on our site or on a splash screen or in the sample
database. Oh, and check if we mention your name in the acknowledgement
section.
Kind regards,
Jen
I don't know if you're a spammer or not (or particularly care), but the
FAQ at your site disturbs me.

From the FAQ:
********
Contacting Fishing Log PRO Team
Q: I would like to send an e-mail to the authors. Why can't I see any e-
mail addresses anywhere in your contact details.

A: We decided not to publish our addresses any longer because of hundreds
unsolicited e-mails we used to receive every day. Please use the feedback
page link to contact us directly.

Q: Could I call you or ask you to contact me by phone regarding Fishing
Log PRO?

A: We do not have a hotline support center. It helps us to cut costs and
keep our registration fees very low. If you have any questions - you can
always ask us by submitting your query via the feedback page. Make sure
you have read this FAQ and be specific when asking questions.
*******

Personally, I won't do ANY e-business with anyone I couldn't contact by
phone if I needed to, EVER. I don't even know what country you guys are
in.

While most likely you're legit, sending a credit card number to the
nameless and faceless is a really stupid thing to do. Its a high risk
way to make a purchase. Even if I were in the market for a fishing log,
you wouldn't get my business.


Scott
Andrew Kidd
2003-12-12 23:30:08 UTC
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"Scott Seidman" <***@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:***@130.133.1.4...
<SNIP>
Post by Scott Seidman
Personally, I won't do ANY e-business with anyone I couldn't contact by
phone if I needed to, EVER. I don't even know what country you guys are
in.
While most likely you're legit, sending a credit card number to the
nameless and faceless is a really stupid thing to do. Its a high risk
way to make a purchase. Even if I were in the market for a fishing log,
you wouldn't get my business.
I'm not attacking here, but I do have a different point of view....
While I agree that it is slightly more difficult to do business by
email, I have an online business and while 99.9% of our customers are fine
people we're happy to have for customers, I don't want to hand that other
.1% my home phone number (actually, my second phoneline). My point being,
not every business on the internet is run in a dedicated office environment.
We run our business from our homes, and our website is our office. We still
give our customers our best service possible, everyday. Actually, several
times a day!
As for credit cards, you're only slightly more at risk over the internet
then by handing it to the guy or gal at the restaurant who disappears with
it to charge your bill, or the folks at the hotel counter who take an
impression of your card for their records, or the folks who take your order
over the phone for catalogs, etc, etc, etc. God only knows how many people
have access to your card that you don't know at all, and have never met...

P.S. The site representitive is from Dublin, Ireland. This, and his
address and phone number, can be found through publicly accessible
information online. So, our customers could find our phone number if they
needed to.
--
Andrew Kidd
http://www.amiasoft.com/ - Software for the rest of us!
http://www.rofb.net/ - ROFB Newsgroup Home
Scott Seidman
2003-12-15 14:40:01 UTC
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Post by Andrew Kidd
<SNIP>
Post by Scott Seidman
Personally, I won't do ANY e-business with anyone I couldn't contact
by phone if I needed to, EVER. I don't even know what country you
guys are in.
While most likely you're legit, sending a credit card number to the
nameless and faceless is a really stupid thing to do. Its a high
risk way to make a purchase. Even if I were in the market for a
fishing log, you wouldn't get my business.
I'm not attacking here, but I do have a different point of view....
While I agree that it is slightly more difficult to do business by
email, I have an online business and while 99.9% of our customers are
fine people we're happy to have for customers, I don't want to hand
that other .1% my home phone number (actually, my second phoneline).
My point being, not every business on the internet is run in a
dedicated office environment. We run our business from our homes, and
our website is our office. We still give our customers our best
service possible, everyday. Actually, several times a day!
I'm sure you do provide excellent customer service, but putting in a
dedicated phone line with an answering machine is a relatively small
expense that might attract customers. At least, your website provides an
address. The site in question here doesn't extend that courtesy. I
think we can both agree that when you give your credit card to someone,
you should at least know what business you're giving it to.
Post by Andrew Kidd
As for credit cards, you're only slightly more at risk over the internet
then by handing it to the guy or gal at the restaurant who disappears
with it to charge your bill, or the folks at the hotel counter who
take an impression of your card for their records, or the folks who
take your order over the phone for catalogs, etc, etc, etc. God only
knows how many people have access to your card that you don't know at
all, and have never met...
When you deal with reputable online companies with good security
policies, you're probably safer than when you hand you're credit card to
a waiter. When you deal with small guys who don't know from security,
you're asking for trouble. I'm basing this on letters from my web-
hosting company that said they found many sites on their own servers that
were collecting card numbers on encrypted pages, and then mailing them or
storing them on unencrypted pages.
Post by Andrew Kidd
P.S. The site representitive is from Dublin, Ireland. This, and his
address and phone number, can be found through publicly accessible
information online. So, our customers could find our phone number if
they needed to.
With you're site, you're a corporation. People can find your Tax ID
number if they needed it, they can complain to your attorney generals
office or better business beaureau if they saw fit. You're not
anonymous. There remains something inherently wrong with doing business
with an anonymous party.

Scott

Yuall Gibbons
2003-12-13 06:02:07 UTC
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Post by Jen
Hello again,
Post by Gene Cottrell
You're just looking for suckers to go to the site!
I would never call anybody visiting our site a sucker.
Post by Gene Cottrell
If you really wanted photos, you'd mention it on the site, not here. I
didn't see any pleas for photos on the site home page.
We do need photos to go to our default database and we give credits to
all who donate (have a look at the links). As you certainly
understand, there is a limit in what you can and can't put on a site.
The fact that we do not ask for images on our site does not mean we do
not need them. Where else could I go and ask for images?
Come now madam! You can't be that much of a newbie.
You have heard of GOOGLE haven't you:
http://images.google.com/images?q=fishing&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start=0&sa=N
Why not admit that you were spamming, shamelessly
promoting your product, and then get on with your life.
Jen
2003-12-11 11:28:22 UTC
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Hi Joe,
Post by joe
Seriously, SPAM or not, the post does not appear present the facts. The
site seems to have only one purpose and that is to sell a software
application.
Not that my opinion is important but I have no problem with commercial
posts as long as the poster is up front about it. If you have something
of interest people will choose to check it out.
How could I be more upfront? I asked for images and explained the
reasons why I would need them. I could just ask for images, but there
is a tiny problem with copyright that may arise when I use it in the
program, so I had to be upfront and provide a link. If you don't want
your pictures to be used this way - simply ignore the mail.
Post by joe
I saw no links to 'donate' pictures but since this is for-profit
software built partially on open source contributions I would be glad to
sell some images at a fair price.
I am not a developer, but I can tell you that the open source code
makes up just about 2% of the total code. We are however very thankful
to everybody who donate their source code and give credits to
everybody. The software uses commercial 3rd party libraries and
products as well, the total cost is well over 2000 USD. If you are
interested I could send you a list.
Post by joe
I would be glad to
sell some images at a fair price.
And you would be absolutely right to do so. We however would not be
able to afford it. Our registration fees will never cover the time
some of the guys invested into developing the program, maintaining the
site, providing customer support and so on.

Jen
joe
2003-12-11 12:23:44 UTC
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Post by Jen
How could I be more upfront? I asked for images and explained the
reasons why I would need them. I could just ask for images, but there
is a tiny problem with copyright that may arise when I use it in the
program, so I had to be upfront and provide a link. If you don't want
your pictures to be used this way - simply ignore the mail.
Looking for images to enhance our shareware fishing log software (or
home security, or birdwatching, etc.). We will not pay you but if you
download a copy of our 'free' (demo?, time limited? can not verify what
the free version does as I use a BSD version and do not run Windows as
it appears this requires to operate) software you can see your
submission credited.<<

Also, this is not 'mail' but a usenet group that is focused on saltwater
angling, one of the several newsgroups that you cross-posted to (and due
to my lack of checking previously that I also cross posted apparently in
responding). Your subject does not match the content. I read your 'mail'
as I thought that an angler was looking for images for a logbook. That
is not at all what the post is about. You are not an individual but a
representative of a shareware/commercial application looking for images
for use in your product.

Just add 'ADV' to the subject and that way people who are not interested
will know it is commercial and can skip it.
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com
Jen
2003-12-11 20:35:04 UTC
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What the software does and the limitations, you can see from the FAQ
list. What our software "appears to require" is written on the
snapshot. Or may be you can not set up Mozilla properly to view GIFs?
Ok, I am sorry, I did not mean it. After all you have put together a
decent site.
Post by joe
Also, this is not 'mail' but a usenet group that is
focused on saltwater angling
I sent the message to members of the group asking for images, knowing
in advance that some of you might donate them. And if some of the
members find it interesting to see or validate (let aside use) what
other people do (software, graphics etc) it would make me twice as
happy.
Post by joe
Your subject does not match the content. I read your 'mail'
as I thought that an angler was looking for images for a logbook.
That is not at all what the post is about.
Ok, you misread my subject, otherwise you can always tell what is in
the post without reading it. It was apparently a big deal enough for
you to call me a spammer and a liar. Or is it because you use BSD only
and can not try out the program? Could there be a slight chance that
you are simply jealous Joe?

Apologies for misusing the word "mail". English is my fourth language
and I am trying my best.
Post by joe
I saw no links to 'donate' pictures but since this is for-profit
software built partially on open source contributions I would be glad to
sell some images at a fair price.
BSD, he. So you have compiled millions of lines of BSD code (you
compiled it, right?), processed a few images using totally free
software (GIMP was it?) and yet you have nothing against getting some
money for YOUR work. Well, at least we paid for our software tools,
3rd party libraries and the OS (however horrible the OS is. You
guessed right, I use unix too and can compare).
Post by joe
You are not an individual but a representative of a
shareware/commercial application
Did you just call me a robot? You seem to be sure of everything you
say. I am an individual. I am working on graphics for an interesting
software project. I do not earn money from my posts or my work. I
learn however a lot and am very proud of what I have done so far,
except may be for engaging in this pointless "conversation".

Please feel free to send your e-mails to me at ***@yahoo.com.

Jen

All typos and errors in my English are for your entertainment only and
are copyrighted work of the author.
Bob La Londe
2003-12-11 22:05:56 UTC
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Just curious, are you the same Jen that was pushing CSC Phoenix Consulting
or something like that a while back?
joe
2003-12-12 03:56:54 UTC
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Post by Jen
Did you just call me a robot? You seem to be sure of everything you
say. I am an individual. I am working on graphics for an interesting
software project. I do not earn money from my posts or my work. I
learn however a lot and am very proud of what I have done so far,
except may be for engaging in this pointless "conversation".
Jen
All typos and errors in my English are for your entertainment only and
are copyrighted work of the author.
robot? guess that is a language thing.

pointless? why so much time replying.

and of course it is all the repondents who 'misread' your subject line.
no way you can take responsibility for your actions that appear to have
been unpopular with several of the newsgroup participants.

as for what I would offer to sell you, none of it has anything to do
with Gimp. I have photos as you may have noticed on my site that I took
during my personal fishing trips with my camera which were processed at
my expense.

I never called you a liar nor a spammer. You may want to re-read my
post. I am not sure if it is spam (which I do usually associate with
email; if anything your post was off-topic and/or misleading, possibly
unintentionally).

there are many database options available and if I had reason I could
put together the individuals to produce a cross platform solution.

irrespective of any further reply I will end my participation in this
off topic waste of bandwidth. you may also contact me by email via my
web site.

regards,

joe
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com
Charles B. Summers
2003-12-11 22:43:27 UTC
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Here ya go, Jen... http://www.internetclipart.com/fFishing/fishing.htm

See if there's something there that'll interest you.
Post by Jen
Hello,
I participated in the development of this fishing log and image
http://fishing.idealog.net
If you have interesting images of your past catches, fishing trips,
repairs, inventory, bait, tackle, fishing buddies or any other images
that you could donate and that you would not mind being used for our
web site and the log graphics (splash screen or sample HTML pages
generated by the log), please let me know. Any feedback on the product
would be greately appreciated too.
We always give credits to contributors. A link to your site, your name
in the credit section is not a problem.
Thanks.
Jen
http://fishing.idealog.net
www.idealog.net
Jen
2003-12-12 11:35:39 UTC
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Post by Bob La Londe
Just curious, are you the same Jen that was pushing CSC
Phoenix Consulting
or something like that a while back?
Hi Bob, I remember you asked the same question in September. No, I am
not familiar with the project or company. If you need any info about
who I am or what I do for the software mentioned above – do not
hesitate to contact me.
Post by Bob La Londe
robot, pointless, Gimp, database options etc
You are absolutely right Joe, it was a waste of bandwidth and time for
most of the readers of this group. I promise that I will be more
accurate when choosing titles for my posts. If you need feedback on
your thoughts about database options and crossplatform solution - send
us a message through http://fishing.idealog.net/feedback.html (general
comment from our developers so far: "not a chance, mate", they might
be wrong however, I don't know). Take care.
Post by Bob La Londe
Here ya go, Jen... http://www.internetclipart.com/fFishing/fishing.htm
See if there's something there that'll interest you.
I have seen the site and tried to use some of the work for splash
screens, but it did not work very well since it is difficult to
combine photos and clipart on one image. Otherwise, the quality of the
clipart is quite good and it is a useful link as it also covers other
areas. Thanks.
Illinois Fisherman
2003-12-12 17:27:52 UTC
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Jen,
If you use MS Image Composer you can combine clip art and picks easily or
your web page. It is not the easiest program to learn but once you do it
opens up a lot of possibilities. It comes as an add in with FrontPage.
Post by Jen
Post by Bob La Londe
Just curious, are you the same Jen that was pushing CSC
Phoenix Consulting
or something like that a while back?
Hi Bob, I remember you asked the same question in September. No, I am
not familiar with the project or company. If you need any info about
who I am or what I do for the software mentioned above - do not
hesitate to contact me.
Post by Bob La Londe
robot, pointless, Gimp, database options etc
You are absolutely right Joe, it was a waste of bandwidth and time for
most of the readers of this group. I promise that I will be more
accurate when choosing titles for my posts. If you need feedback on
your thoughts about database options and crossplatform solution - send
us a message through http://fishing.idealog.net/feedback.html (general
comment from our developers so far: "not a chance, mate", they might
be wrong however, I don't know). Take care.
Post by Bob La Londe
Here ya go, Jen... http://www.internetclipart.com/fFishing/fishing.htm
See if there's something there that'll interest you.
I have seen the site and tried to use some of the work for splash
screens, but it did not work very well since it is difficult to
combine photos and clipart on one image. Otherwise, the quality of the
clipart is quite good and it is a useful link as it also covers other
areas. Thanks.
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